[jdom-interest] W3 DOM support

Tue Aug 1 23:30:17 PDT 2000

on 8/1/00 8:28 AM, Artur Radosz at slu at ags.pl wrote:

> Hmm, i don`t want do any conversions. I want use JDOM methods for
> operating on document tree, but later i want process it by XSLT. And
> there is problem, if JDOM will support DOM (level 1) then it will be
> easy. But now i must do conversions, it`s not effective. :(

Too bad no XSLT engines yet support JDOM trees. After all, one of the
reasons I was looking at doing something like JDOM, and why I
enthusiastically helped given the chance when Brett and Jas were first
kicking it around, was all these XSLT engine implementors saying "Jeez, I
wish there were a lightweight tree api that I could use... " :)

.duncan

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Hello all,

I tried JDOM yesterday (including the preliminary XPath stuff which has
now been started) and I have to say that it makes life (well, maybe not
all aspects of life....:) a lot easier. 

I look forward to all new developments on the JDOM front and my gratitude
to the contributing developers. (Maybe I'll start contributing in the
future, enough (graduation-related) work for now).

Cheers,

Johan

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Hello all,

I tried JDOM yesterday (including the preliminary XPath stuff which has
now been started) and I have to say that it makes life (well, maybe not
all aspects of life....:) a lot easier. 

I look forward to all new developments on the JDOM front and my gratitude
to the contributing developers. (Maybe I'll start contributing in the
future, enough (graduation-related) work for now).

Cheers,

Johan

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Subject: Re: [jdom-interest] delicate balance?
From: James Duncan Davidson <james.davidson at eng.sun.com>
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on 8/1/00 7:24 AM, Joseph Bowbeer at jozart at csi.com wrote:

> One thing I've noticed as I follow this list: as everyone becomes
> more familiar with the intricacies of XML, they "raise" the bar
> for what passes as small, simple and intuitive.

Yep.. I'd agree with that assessment.

> I think it's hard to pile a lot of development on top of a
> delicate balance. Perhaps we need to decide: Are we trying to
> undercut DOM, getting most of the benefit with little of the
> complexity? Or are we trying to build an accessibility layer on
> top of DOM, preserving everything and making it easier to use at
> the same time?  (I hope my characterization is accurate enough to
> be helpful.)

I'd vote +1 on the first, -1 on the latter (as far as making an
accessibility layer on top of DOM).

If JDOM exposes the XML tree accuratly, that's fine.. It's great in fact as
some peeps want that. And some peeps just want the fast case through to pick
out data. I personally care about the latter (even having been to deeply
innudated in XML of late) -- but if both camps can be satisfied I'll go for
it (assuming that you don't hit performance too badly ;).

.duncan