[jdom-interest] JavaOne presentations (flame) (Jason Hunter)

Tue Feb 12 11:21:07 PST 2002

In response to Jason,

     I used to go religiously to Java One, but have found it not very usefull, and did not go last year, and we are not going this year. As you said, it seems the information dolled out is dumbed down.  If I had gone I probably would have gone to your
talk, and then (horror) thought you were not as smart as I currently think. I really like JDOM, so my advice is don't go, but Java One is in SF and SF is beautifull in March. Try and give the talk at IBM WebSphere convention in May, I will be there. It's
beautifull in May also.

Peter:)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Jar-Archive (Joern Muehlencord)
   2. JavaOne presentations (flame) (Jason Hunte
   3. RE: JavaOne presentations (flame) (Frank Sauer)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:15:33 +0100
From: Joern Muehlencord <joern at muehlencord.de>
To: Jason Hunter <jhunter at servlets.com>
Cc: jdom-interest <jdom-interest at jdom.org>
Subject: Re: [jdom-interest] Jar-Archive

Hi Jason,

> I believe when you "-jar" run a JAR file it ignores the classpath.
> You'd need to have supporting JARs in your MANIFEST.MF for them to be
> found.
That is right. I needed to include "Class-Path: jdom.jar" to the
manifest-file. xerces.jar is not needed - it is included bei jdom.jar.
Now it is ok, to put all three archives into one directory and start the
application out of the jar-file.

Thanx
 Joern

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:11:30 -0800
From: Jason Hunter <jhunter at acm.org>
To: JDOM Interest <jdom-interest at jdom.org>
Subject: [jdom-interest] JavaOne presentations (flame)

I just have to vent, and this crowd seems like a fine place to vent
about this particular thing.

I'm presenting a talk on JDOM at JavaOne this year, and Oh My God, the
slide submittal process is horrid.  Absolutely draconian.  Unlike *every
other conference* I've spoken at (dozens), at JavaOne there are people
who critique your slides on various Rules.  These Rules are definitely
smart guidelines but at JavaOne they are literally *Rules*.  If you
don't pass each and every rule down the line, they don't let you give
you talk.

One sample rule:  You need a graphic on at least one out of every 6
pages.  Need it or not, appropriate or not, you need a graphic.  It's
supposed to keep your audience awake.  Well, I guess I have to come up
with a graphic for the section where I compare JDOM with DOM.  Any
ideas?  I wonder if a picture from Anna Kournikova's new calendar would
do.

Another rule:  You should have no more than six words per bullet point.
Wait, did I say "should"?  I mean MUST as in the W3C spec meaning of the
word.  Nothing longer than six words is <oops, cut, can't say anymore>.

That last one really bugs me.  I personally find JavaOne slides 100%
useless after the talk because of this rule.  I've downloaded slides in
years past from talks I couldn't attend.  Here's what you get:

* JVM Performance In Process
* Garbage Collection In Real Time

Oh yeah, I'm really learning now.  They say this rule is to keep the
point size up so you can read the slides during the show, but seems to
me:

* If you're in the show you're listening, not reading
* If you're not in the show, you can only read

(Notice the effective use of 9 word bullets there.)

So with big point sizes you can read my outline during the show, but
after I'm done talking, all the points are lost.

I was proud and I stood my moral ground and flaunted the rules -- I used
graphics only when I needed graphics and I tried to actually *say
something* with each bullet point.  But no.  The people reviewing the
talks actually counted my words and my graphic densities.  I failed.
I'm told I need to revise now.

What's really ironic is last year the same basic slide outline was
accepted.  I was just unlucky enough this year to get the Presentation
Nazi.  I can almost hear him yell:  "No presentation for you, one year!"

Maybe you're thinking I should obligingly bow to the "Rules" and be
tricky and bring my own slides in on a laptop on the presentation day.
No can do; they're on to that!  You can't bring your own laptop to
present.  Every other conference I've spoken at lets you.  Why not at
JavaOne?  They say it's to keep things simpler to setup, but really how
simple is it for me to load JDOM examples on their machine versus my
own??  Here's my theory: if anyone ever tries to make The Training
Alliance Nazis (tm) look bad (you know, someone in a bad mood -- try to
picture it), they'll know beforehand and have some leverage to encourage
you to change your slides.

I agree these guidelines make sense in general, but can we give the
speakers no credit?  The best talks I've ever attended have slides that
don't in any way follow the JavaOne Rules.  And some of the worst talks
I've ever attended have been at JavaOne.  Maybe they're trying to raise
up the quality of these poor talks by rigidly enforcing these rules.  I
think it's more likely they're creating poor talks by enforcing these
rules.

Ah well.  At least I can still say what I want on stage.  Um, probably.
I'll let you know if they actually let me speak live on stage or if it's
a tape recording.

-jh-

P.S.  Sun speakers suffer from this just as much as outside people.
This is another reason why no one at Sun looks very happy the month
before JavaOne.

P.P.S.  The slides haven't even gone to legal review yet.  Last year in
legal review they changed "JDOM" to "The Document Object Model for Java"
on me and for a long time refused to change it back.  You'd think they
would believe I knew the name of my project.

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Message: 3
Subject: RE: [jdom-interest] JavaOne presentations (flame)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:28:31 -0500
From: "Frank Sauer" <Frank.Sauer at trcinc.com>
To: "Jason Hunter" <jhunter at acm.org>, "JDOM Interest" <jdom-interest at jdom.org>

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