Fw: [jdom-interest] Re: Radical Suggestion (was Re: Antwort: RE: [jdom-interest] Namespace help)

[graham glass]

hi there,

what exactly is this "electric XML" fallacy you're talking about?

there are thousands of developers using electric XML for parsing and
manipulating XML documents, and not a single user seems to have
a problem with its support for namespaces. in addition, we use
electric XML for all of our XML processing in GLUE, which
involves heavy use of namespaces (see the SOAP/WSDL specifications
for more information) without a single problem.

cheers,
graham

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elliotte Rusty Harold" <elharo at metalab.unc.edu>
> To: "Dennis Sosnoski" <dms at sosnoski.com>
> Cc: <jdom-interest at jdom.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:07 PM
> Subject: [jdom-interest] Re: Radical Suggestion (was Re: Antwort: RE:
> [jdom-interest] Namespace help)
>
>
> > At 10:43 AM -0700 7/25/02, Dennis Sosnoski wrote:
> >
> >
> > >If JDOM's goal is ease of use it seems like matching the
> > >programmer's POV rather than the XML POV would be the right way to
> > >go.
> >
> > No. This is the ElectricXML fallacy. An API for processing XML should
> > be as simple as it can be and no simpler! In particular, it cannot be
> > simpler than XML itself is. Namespaces are confusing, but that is not
> > our fault and not something we can fix in JDOM.
> >
> > This whole thread made it obvious that the developer did not
> > understand how namespaces worked in pure XML syntax, in  a plain text
> > document, without JDOM anywhere in sight. That's not really his
> > fault. Namespaces are a mess. However, since we need to faithfully
> > model XML, we need to model that mess. If we can make it easier and
> > remain faithful to the namespaces and XML specs, great; but we can't
> > do anything that flies in the face of those specs. If a programmer
> > has trouble with JDOM because they don't understand namespaces,
> > better they encounter cognitive dissonance as quickly as possible so
> > they'll fix the flaws in their understanding rather than have JDOM
> > reinforce their mistaken ideas.
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